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THE EXPERIMENTAL SCANIAS 1461-1462 AND PRESERVATION OF SCANIA 1461 (FWH 461Y)

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With the eventual demise of the Fleetline and Atlantean chassis due Greater Manchester Transport were conscious that they would need to look at developing their Standard body to fit newly developed rear engined or mid engined chassis and embarked upon a fleet number series in which to put these which very much mirrored the original EX experimental series used by their predecessors SELNEC.

The fleet number series chosen was the 14xx series. This series started off when the Bristol VRT's ordered by North Western delivered to SELNEC Cheshire had been renumbered, They were delivered as 400 to 424 but were renumbered shortly after to 1400 to 1424.

1400-1424 Chassis Bristol VRT/SL2/6LX   Built 1973  
Bodywork Eastern Coachworks H43/32F Number in Stock 25
1400 AJA 400L 1405 AJA 405L 1410 AJA 410L 1415 AJA 415L 1420 AJA 420L
1401 AJA 401L 1406 AJA 406L 1411 AJA 411L 1416 AJA 416L 1421 AJA 421L
1402 AJA 402L 1407 AJA 407L 1412 AJA 412L 1417 AJA 417L 1422 AJA 422L
1403 AJA 403L 1408 AJA 408L 1413 AJA 413L 1418 AJA 418L 1423 AJA 423L
1404 AJA 404L 1409 AJA 409L 1414 AJA 414L 1419 AJA 419L 1424 AJA 424L

Therefore, in 1974, Greater Manchester Transport took a proving quantity of ten of the new experimental Metropolitain Double Deckers and numbered these in the series 1425 to 1434.

1425-1434 Chassis Metropolitan BR111DH Built 1974
Bodywork Metro-Cammell Weymann H44/29F Number in Stock 10
1425 GNC 277N 1427 GNC 279N 1429 GNC 281N 1431 GNC 283N 1433 GNC 285N
1426 GNC 278N 1428 GNC 280N 1430 GNC 282N 1432 GNC 284N 1434 GNC 286N

They were followed over the years by the following purchases:-

1435-1436 Chassis Foden NC Built 1976
Bodywork Northern Counties H43/32F Number in Stock 2

1435

LNA 258P

1436

PNE 358R            
1437-1440 Chassis Dennis Dominator DD110(1439/40:DDA136) Built 1980/1
Bodywork Northern Counties H43/32F Number in Stock 4
1437 HDB 438V 1438 HDB 438V 1439 TND 439X 1440 TND 440X    
1446-1448 Chassis Volvo Ailsa B55-10 Built 1980/2
Bodywork Northern Counties H44/35F Number in Stock 3
1446 NNA 134W 1447 WRJ 447X 1448 WRJ 448X        
1451 Chassis Leyland (Bristol) Olympian B45 TL11/1R Built 1980
Bodywork Northern Counties H43/30F Number in Stock 1
1451 NJA 568W                
1461-1462 Chassis Scania BR112DH Built On order for 1983
Bodywork Northern Counties H43/32F Number in Stock 2
1461 FWH 471Y 1462 FWH 462Y            
1463-1467 Chassis Scania N113 DRB Built 1991
Bodywork Northern Counties H47/28F Number in Stock 5
1463 H463 GVM 1464 H464 GVM 1465 H465 GVM 1466 H466 GVM 1467 H467 GVM
1471-1473 Chassis Dennis Falcon V DD405 Built 1984
Bodywork Northern Counties H47/37F Number in Stock 3
1471 A471 HNC 1472 A472 HNC 1473 A473 HNC      
1481-1483 Chassis Volvo Citybus B10M-50 Built 1986
Bodywork Northern Counties H46/33F Number in Stock 3
1481 C481 CBU 1482 C483 CBU 1483 C483 CBU        

There are no Metropolitans in the batch 1425 to 1434 still existence and the two Foden NCs, 1435 and 1436, have both been scrapped.  We understand there is still a prototype Dennis Dominator 1439 in existence but we have not been keen to pursue this on the basis that we have 2001 (B901 TVR) the first production Dennis Dominator.  It is also understood that one of the Volvo Ailsas 1448 is still in existence but the price being asked by the owner is out of our reach.  We already have 1451 in preservation, the prototype Leyland Olympian, and 1472 the remaining  Dennis Falcon V and consequently in recent times we have concentrated on looking at the Scanias.  Initially the first two delivered were Scania BR112 DHs in 1983 with the usual circumstance of a further five being taken on board of the N113 DRB chassis eight years later in 1991.  Of the two metal framed bespoke vehicles built in 1983, 1462 had been scrapped some while ago due a cracked chassis problem leaving 1461 in existence and we made contact with its owner, David Forrest of Liverpool Motor Services in Long Lane, Aintree, Liverpool.  In fact the bus which is chassis number 1802093 and body number 2166 had been delivered new to Greater Manchester Transport on 1st April 1983  transferring to Greater Manchester Buses Limited on deregulation on 26th October 1986, passing onto GM Buses South on 1st April 1994 and then to Stagecoach who painted it in white/striped livery.

Thereafter it passed to Fleet Sales of St Helens 12 years after deregulation to the day.  On 26th October 1998 it was sold to Black Prince on the same day.  They sold it on to John Cherry at Aintree Coachlines on 20th January 2002 with him selling it on to David Forrest at Liverpool Motor Services on 1st February 2003. 

We made contact with David Forrest shortly after his acquisition of the vehicle and he gave us a commitment at that time that when his use for the bus came to an end we could take possession of it in order to ensure its preservation and we kept in regular contact thereafter.  It came out of service with Liverpool Motor Services on 31st March 2004 when its current tax expired.  Due to a problem with the exhaust which needed some work on it for it to be re-MOT’d the decision was taken that it would be released for preservation.  As a consequence arrangements were put in place for the vehicle to be collected as it was, on Wednesday 30th June 2004. 

Very kindly David Forrest did not want to sell the vehicle to us to recoup the monies he had spent on rectifying it and keeping it in service and was happy to donate it to the SELNEC Educational Trust, in recognition of the importance of the vehicle and our keen interest to ensure that it, along with the other key vehicles, replicates the design and development of bus transport in the Greater Manchester area.  Our thanks go to David Forrest and Liverpool Motor Services for the kind gesture in donating the bus to us. 

Two members of the SELNEC Preservation Society travelled by train to Long Lane, Aintree on Wednesday afternoon, 30th June 2004, to collect the vehicle and drive it back to our premises in East Manchester.   It behaved particularly well causing us no problems whatsoever on the drive back, although it did sound a little noisy due to the exhaust problem.  It really is in excellent condition with very little having been changed from its days in Greater Manchester.  The lower deck seats however have been re-moquetted in red with the upper deck having a selection of various Greater Manchester styles.  The bus is now secure and we will look at potentially returning it to its original condition later in the future.

1461

BATCH:

1461 - 1462

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(FWH 461Y)

BODY:

Northern Counties H43/32F

 

CHASSIS:

Scania BR112DH

 

FIRST REGISTERED:

1st April 1983

 

PURCHASED:

30th June 2004

 

DETAILS:

The only remaining Scania BR112DH delivered to Greater Manchester Transport


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